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		<title>Comment on Leadership is not about you by audhill</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/20/leadership-is-not-about-you/#comment-370</link>
		<author>audhill</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Jul 2008 03:23:17 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>I have to agree that different people want different things... and some people don't want anything different.  The thing is that you can't get a zebra to change it's stripes, so a better question is how can you create the best environment possible given the people and resources you have to work with.  If the goal is "getting the change I want" you need a very specific set of people and circumstances.  Everything has to be ideally suited to your vision.  If your goal is "getting the best out of the people who work for me", then your whole approach is different.   Your potential to create a "we team" is far greater because nearly anyone flowers under a fundamental recognition of their value. And the best possible outcome for a disparate group of people and perspectives is one in which each member is giving themselves and what they have to offer to the whole.  Is that idealistic or practical.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to agree that different people want different things&#8230; and some people don&#8217;t want anything different.  The thing is that you can&#8217;t get a zebra to change it&#8217;s stripes, so a better question is how can you create the best environment possible given the people and resources you have to work with.  If the goal is &#8220;getting the change I want&#8221; you need a very specific set of people and circumstances.  Everything has to be ideally suited to your vision.  If your goal is &#8220;getting the best out of the people who work for me&#8221;, then your whole approach is different.   Your potential to create a &#8220;we team&#8221; is far greater because nearly anyone flowers under a fundamental recognition of their value. And the best possible outcome for a disparate group of people and perspectives is one in which each member is giving themselves and what they have to offer to the whole.  Is that idealistic or practical.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Leadership is not about you by Marshall</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/20/leadership-is-not-about-you/#comment-369</link>
		<author>Marshall</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 06:10:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/20/leadership-is-not-about-you/#comment-369</guid>
					<description>So if Kanazawa is right, what about those of us that believe that some people love change, some hate it, and others are somewhere in the middle?  What is our "assigned" duty based on this belief?

Personally I see many people wanting change and only a few that are uncomfortable with it.  

Some want the same changes that I want, others want changes that contradict what I want.  Those that don't want change clearly don't want what I want, but they do want what they want.  Want to know what I want...keep wanting.  I want to know what I want.  Then we can want to want the same things or want to want different things...whatever we want.  One more time...want.

OK, now back to the stuff...Giving up that control of decision maker in favor of group decision making is tough-especially at first.  Yes, it is a clear advantage in terms of big picture and varied vantage points and perspectives, but it does take time, create hassles, and hamper quick decisions.

If you truly have a "we team" you have a lot.  Getting there can be difficult and there will be bruises and bumps along the way.  I have never seen it smoothly transform into a trusting, giving relationship without a few battlescars.  The giving up of a "perfect idea" isn't as difficult as taking a path you don't like from the start, but sometimes it is a good path.  Your quote above, "It comes from a fundamental recognition that a successful climate (in business or personal life) is created when each best self finds expression, not when each self gets with your program," is accurate.  I like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So if Kanazawa is right, what about those of us that believe that some people love change, some hate it, and others are somewhere in the middle?  What is our &#8220;assigned&#8221; duty based on this belief?</p>
<p>Personally I see many people wanting change and only a few that are uncomfortable with it.  </p>
<p>Some want the same changes that I want, others want changes that contradict what I want.  Those that don&#8217;t want change clearly don&#8217;t want what I want, but they do want what they want.  Want to know what I want&#8230;keep wanting.  I want to know what I want.  Then we can want to want the same things or want to want different things&#8230;whatever we want.  One more time&#8230;want.</p>
<p>OK, now back to the stuff&#8230;Giving up that control of decision maker in favor of group decision making is tough-especially at first.  Yes, it is a clear advantage in terms of big picture and varied vantage points and perspectives, but it does take time, create hassles, and hamper quick decisions.</p>
<p>If you truly have a &#8220;we team&#8221; you have a lot.  Getting there can be difficult and there will be bruises and bumps along the way.  I have never seen it smoothly transform into a trusting, giving relationship without a few battlescars.  The giving up of a &#8220;perfect idea&#8221; isn&#8217;t as difficult as taking a path you don&#8217;t like from the start, but sometimes it is a good path.  Your quote above, &#8220;It comes from a fundamental recognition that a successful climate (in business or personal life) is created when each best self finds expression, not when each self gets with your program,&#8221; is accurate.  I like it.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Manifest by Marshall</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-368</link>
		<author>Marshall</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 05:43:39 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-368</guid>
					<description>OK, so add me to your reader list.  Just saw the new posts.  Haven't read them, but I like your title skills.  I let my feelings be known, so there's your warning - I have an opinion about everything, and it's unfair not to share it with you...since I'm sure it's got to be the right way of doing whatever it is.  I almost always (97%) smile while I type, so keep that in mind. ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>OK, so add me to your reader list.  Just saw the new posts.  Haven&#8217;t read them, but I like your title skills.  I let my feelings be known, so there&#8217;s your warning - I have an opinion about everything, and it&#8217;s unfair not to share it with you&#8230;since I&#8217;m sure it&#8217;s got to be the right way of doing whatever it is.  I almost always (97%) smile while I type, so keep that in mind. <img src='http://stonepooch.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Manifest by audhill</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-367</link>
		<author>audhill</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:50:38 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-367</guid>
					<description>I appreciate the comment Marshall.  I don't write on my blog nearly enough to have a readership of any kind.  It's my own fault.  But, I'm always glad to meet a new person.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I appreciate the comment Marshall.  I don&#8217;t write on my blog nearly enough to have a readership of any kind.  It&#8217;s my own fault.  But, I&#8217;m always glad to meet a new person.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Manifest by Marshall</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-366</link>
		<author>Marshall</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 03:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-366</guid>
					<description>Audrey

Just came your way from a post about setting priorities.  I like the little I've read from you, and hope to get to read more.  I don't have my own blog - though I continually say I will jump off that cliff too - guess that is my part of prioritizing in relationship to family, life, work, and sanity...  Thanks for your down to earth comments and sensible logic.  In a time of increased aspirations and challenges, it's good to be reminded that we are living breathing people that are social beings that existed before the internet made it so easy to connect with so many (however shallowly that may be).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Audrey</p>
<p>Just came your way from a post about setting priorities.  I like the little I&#8217;ve read from you, and hope to get to read more.  I don&#8217;t have my own blog - though I continually say I will jump off that cliff too - guess that is my part of prioritizing in relationship to family, life, work, and sanity&#8230;  Thanks for your down to earth comments and sensible logic.  In a time of increased aspirations and challenges, it&#8217;s good to be reminded that we are living breathing people that are social beings that existed before the internet made it so easy to connect with so many (however shallowly that may be).</p>
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		<title>Comment on Manifest by audhill</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-363</link>
		<author>audhill</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:35:15 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-363</guid>
					<description>Dear Dougald,

Thanks for the response and for the links and recommendations.  I think you say it very well when you state that there &lt;i&gt; is always a danger that the frenetic embrace of new freedom disguises an updated form of old conformity. &lt;/i&gt;   

Hope you enjoyed your day :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Dougald,</p>
<p>Thanks for the response and for the links and recommendations.  I think you say it very well when you state that there <i> is always a danger that the frenetic embrace of new freedom disguises an updated form of old conformity. </i>   </p>
<p>Hope you enjoyed your day <img src='http://stonepooch.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>Comment on Manifest by Dougald Hine</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-362</link>
		<author>Dougald Hine</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jul 2008 23:37:47 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/07/06/manifest/#comment-362</guid>
					<description>Just arrived at your blog for the first time from Scott McLeod's comments. This is much-needed sanity!

I tried to ask some related questions in an article, prompted by the British government's enthusiasm for compelling parents to provide broadband access in the home:

http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/globalisation/the_off_grid_internet

Steve Talbott gets into this territory, deeper and more eloquently, in his book, 'Devices of the Soul' - which echoes a number of themes in your post.

Then, of course, there's this...

http://www.getafirstlife.com/

...which really says it all.

And now I feel like I should go and do something offline. Thank you!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just arrived at your blog for the first time from Scott McLeod&#8217;s comments. This is much-needed sanity!</p>
<p>I tried to ask some related questions in an article, prompted by the British government&#8217;s enthusiasm for compelling parents to provide broadband access in the home:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/globalisation/the_off_grid_internet" rel="nofollow">http://www.opendemocracy.net/article/globalisation/the_off_grid_internet</a></p>
<p>Steve Talbott gets into this territory, deeper and more eloquently, in his book, &#8216;Devices of the Soul&#8217; - which echoes a number of themes in your post.</p>
<p>Then, of course, there&#8217;s this&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.getafirstlife.com/" rel="nofollow">http://www.getafirstlife.com/</a></p>
<p>&#8230;which really says it all.</p>
<p>And now I feel like I should go and do something offline. Thank you!</p>
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		<title>Comment on use your mind to pimp your text by DamionKutaeff</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2007/08/08/pimp-your-text-to-use-your-mind/#comment-352</link>
		<author>DamionKutaeff</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Mar 2008 20:25:27 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>Hello everybody, my name is Damion, and I'm glad to join your conmunity, 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hello everybody, my name is Damion, and I&#8217;m glad to join your conmunity,<br />
and wish to assit as far as possible.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Yale Can&#8217;t Do It&#8230;. by Gayle</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/03/09/if-yale-cant-do-it/#comment-351</link>
		<author>Gayle</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 10 Mar 2008 00:33:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/03/09/if-yale-cant-do-it/#comment-351</guid>
					<description>You are right about the list of hurdles that must be navigated by middle schools.  While good teachers can't erase those issues they can mitigate some of the effects.  

I do think Mr. Vanderhoek's idea has merit - the best and the brightest will go into teaching if they are paid for their efforts.  Lower pay, by in large, means lower quality.  Of course, there are teachers who enter the profession because they Love it/have a passion for their subject.  Some of them might be considered the 'best &#38; brightest', some might not.  I do think that heart and passion trump brains when it comes to dedicating yourself to a career. 

As for teacher training, I agree that what passes for training today won't help much.  But, there is learning that could make a difference: 

1)Teacher orientation that really lasted 5 years and was combined with solid mentoring and coaching (not the I'm hear for you to cry on my shoulder and together we can  b-tch about how bad the administration is) that was intensive in the first 2 - 3 years then tapered off.

2)Professional development that took place in the classroom as well as in the training lab so teachers are provided with support as they implement.

3)Challenging teachers to know their subjects (and for lower grades, the full curriculum) and providing ongoing professional development that supports increased content knowledge.  This is especially true for math and science.

And, with all that there will be no Xanadu for American middle schools.  Because the problems are far too complex for simple solutions.  The notion that there is ONE answer to what plagues us is what makes the Equity Project so humorous to me.  Should teachers be paid a salary that make the profession competitive with other highly skilled professions? Of course.  Will increasing their salary while eliminating many essential teacher supports solve the problems of urban education?  Not likely.

I suspect that the school budget will be revised more than once, over the next 5 years, to accommodate the inclusion of some of those supports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You are right about the list of hurdles that must be navigated by middle schools.  While good teachers can&#8217;t erase those issues they can mitigate some of the effects.  </p>
<p>I do think Mr. Vanderhoek&#8217;s idea has merit - the best and the brightest will go into teaching if they are paid for their efforts.  Lower pay, by in large, means lower quality.  Of course, there are teachers who enter the profession because they Love it/have a passion for their subject.  Some of them might be considered the &#8216;best &amp; brightest&#8217;, some might not.  I do think that heart and passion trump brains when it comes to dedicating yourself to a career. </p>
<p>As for teacher training, I agree that what passes for training today won&#8217;t help much.  But, there is learning that could make a difference: </p>
<p>1)Teacher orientation that really lasted 5 years and was combined with solid mentoring and coaching (not the I&#8217;m hear for you to cry on my shoulder and together we can  b-tch about how bad the administration is) that was intensive in the first 2 - 3 years then tapered off.</p>
<p>2)Professional development that took place in the classroom as well as in the training lab so teachers are provided with support as they implement.</p>
<p>3)Challenging teachers to know their subjects (and for lower grades, the full curriculum) and providing ongoing professional development that supports increased content knowledge.  This is especially true for math and science.</p>
<p>And, with all that there will be no Xanadu for American middle schools.  Because the problems are far too complex for simple solutions.  The notion that there is ONE answer to what plagues us is what makes the Equity Project so humorous to me.  Should teachers be paid a salary that make the profession competitive with other highly skilled professions? Of course.  Will increasing their salary while eliminating many essential teacher supports solve the problems of urban education?  Not likely.</p>
<p>I suspect that the school budget will be revised more than once, over the next 5 years, to accommodate the inclusion of some of those supports.</p>
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		<title>Comment on If Yale Can&#8217;t Do It&#8230;. by audhill</title>
		<link>http://stonepooch.com/blog/2008/03/09/if-yale-cant-do-it/#comment-350</link>
		<author>audhill</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Mar 2008 16:03:00 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description>The problems of social inequity, parental neglect and incompetence, bureaucratic bungling, poverty, raging hormones, confused educational philosophies, lack of sufficient resources, burgeoning class size, language barriers and etcetera... are bigger than teacher training.. even the training of the best and brightest minds... especially when those minds are inexperienced.  Mr. Vanderhoek's premise doesn't have the weight of experience. He taught for three years; that isn't enough time to hone his own skills, never mind diagnosing the ills of an entire system. 

I disagree with his assumption that class size doesn't matter.  In my experience, it does.  I disagree with his belief that disciplinary deans are a luxury.  There has to be a place where you can send disruptive students or your classrooms descend into chaos. I am sure that teachers need time to create curriculum and work together on it.  If they are doing all the duties of guidance counselors, attendance officers, disciplinary deans, and assistant principals, they don't have that time.  

I wish him luck and maybe boldness and brains will out, but I don't think so.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problems of social inequity, parental neglect and incompetence, bureaucratic bungling, poverty, raging hormones, confused educational philosophies, lack of sufficient resources, burgeoning class size, language barriers and etcetera&#8230; are bigger than teacher training.. even the training of the best and brightest minds&#8230; especially when those minds are inexperienced.  Mr. Vanderhoek&#8217;s premise doesn&#8217;t have the weight of experience. He taught for three years; that isn&#8217;t enough time to hone his own skills, never mind diagnosing the ills of an entire system. </p>
<p>I disagree with his assumption that class size doesn&#8217;t matter.  In my experience, it does.  I disagree with his belief that disciplinary deans are a luxury.  There has to be a place where you can send disruptive students or your classrooms descend into chaos. I am sure that teachers need time to create curriculum and work together on it.  If they are doing all the duties of guidance counselors, attendance officers, disciplinary deans, and assistant principals, they don&#8217;t have that time.  </p>
<p>I wish him luck and maybe boldness and brains will out, but I don&#8217;t think so.</p>
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